| Ten years of songs and glimpses of reality
Exactly ten years ago, at a moment of stagnation for the Italian independent music scene, a flash of genius appeared on the horizon. Four young men from the province of Siena, bearing a strange name of German origin, released a stunning debut that quickly established itself as a kind of concept album about adolescence and youth in general. Word of mouth spread fast, and the ten songs that made up "Illustrated Primer of Youth" (from here on shortened to "Sussidiario" for convenience) became genuine generational anthems, with the album selling out in no time. A series of contractual disputes has so far made any reissue impossible, and original copies have become highly sought-after cult objects, capable of fetching considerable sums. Meanwhile, the creature known as Baustelle has grown up, released four more phenomenal albums plus a soundtrack, earned major recognition, and seen the quartet turn into a trio. Francesco Bianconi, Rachele Bastreghi and Claudio Brasini are today considered among the most important Italian pop artists of our time. These days "Sussidiario" is finally being reissued in two versions: the first identical to the original, the second in a deluxe edition, packaged in a special box set that will delight the most hardcore fans. So, having just completed a chapter of their artistic journey that led them, only a few months ago, to make their most adult and mature record ("I mistici dell'occidente"), Baustelle now return to engage powerfully with their own beginnings. It's time for the Montepulciano trio to take stock. We reached Francesco Bianconi, Baustelle's singer and main songwriter, by phone for a warm, wide-ranging chat… Hi Francesco, today we're talking about the reissue of "Sussidiario". These songs, which were extraordinarily effective ten years ago, do you think they still hold up as strong and relevant today? I find that the songs on "Sussidiario" are still strong and thoroughly relevant. I notice it personally at our concerts, through the consistently great response from the audience. Everyone kept asking for the album to be reissued, and now it's finally happened. "Sussidiario" established itself as a kind of concept album about adolescence and youth in general. How much, and in what way, have young people changed in these early years of the new millennium? Maybe they've changed a little; we observe them both through our professional experience and through everyday life. "Sussidiario" portrayed them in a romantic, universal way. They've certainly changed in the way they consume music: today it's all about mp3 files you can transfer around, whereas ten years ago records were still selling reasonably well. I think young people today are, musically speaking, victims of background-listening culture, which leads them to dig ever less deep. In "Sussidiario" there's a fine parade of very well-drawn characters. Martina (the protagonist of the album's second track, ed.) has grown up by now. How might her story have unfolded? Might she be shocked by the sad spectacle put on by governors who visit trans sex workers in official cars, and presidents who nonchalantly hop from one escort to another? I know you like talking about these things… Martina has grown up: today she could be an outraged thirty-something. Or she might have become an escort herself, in a society unable to find her anything else to do. Society has slowly turned her into something she never wanted to be. Even the kids who came out of the reformatory (a reference to the theme of "La canzone del riformatorio", track number 7 on "Sussidiario", ed.) find a harsh reality staring back at them, one that could push them into new kinds of trouble… Yes, I completely agree. We live in a country that is in urgent need of a reset. (This is the same idea Francesco expressed last summer from the stage of the Roma Rock Festival, in one of the few remarks he addressed to the audience: it's clear this is a concept he cares about deeply, ed.). Your well-established love of quoting other works has often led you to drop explicit cinematic references into your songs. Give us three key films you consider essential, or that you'd recommend to Baustelle fans. (Bianconi looks visibly delighted by the question, revealing a boundless knowledge of cinema, ed.). Well, if I had to choose, I'd like to mention three titles that somehow connect to the stories told in "Sussidiario". First of all, the Antoine Doinel cycle, the character created by François Truffaut and played by the young Jean-Pierre Léaud. There are five films in total, and you could start chronologically with the first one, "I quattrocento colpi" ("The 400 Blows"), for which the French filmmaker won the Best Director award at the 1959 Cannes Film Festival. This cycle connects very well to our early work, since it deals with themes of adolescence. Then there's a 1970 film by Dario Argento, "L'uccello dalle piume di cristallo" ("The Bird with the Crystal Plumage"), which was his directorial debut and the first part of the so-called "Animal Trilogy". I mention this film because "Sadik" (track 3 on "Sussidiario", ed.) contains an explicit reference to it. Finally, Federico Fellini's "La dolce vita", since there are clear echoes of it in "Cinecittà" (track eight on "Sussidiario", ed.). You and Alberto Ferrari of Verdena (with all due differences) are seen by fans as a kind of messiah for the new generations. You're a bit like what Manuel Agnelli and Cristiano Godano represented for young music listeners in the previous decade. You in particular, in certain respects, seem to be taking on, for a large section of fans, the role of a kind of homegrown Eddie Vedder. How do you experience this situation? With fear? With the tremendous weight of responsibility? Honestly, I live my life without any issues, without feeling like a spokesperson for a generation. It's up to the audience to view a musician however they see fit. The important thing is not to feel the weight of it, not to be crushed by it. I simply write in my songs what I have inside, without compromise. Of course, it's nice if people find a message in those songs that someone decides to take as an example. In Baustelle's catalogue, which are your two favourite songs, the ones you care about most? And which one would you erase? There's nothing in Baustelle's discography I would erase. As for my favourites, well, I have to say they keep changing. Lately, if I really have to pick two titles, I'd go with "Il sottoscritto" and "L'indaco" (both featured on the recent "I mistici dell'occidente", ed.). So we can expect to hear them again on the tour that's about to start? This tour was conceived to promote the reissue of "Sussidiario", so the setlist will be centred on those songs. There'll also be room for other things, but I can't promise you those two will be included. And I don't want to give away too much. Great, see you on 1 December at the Atlantico in Rome. Let's talk now about the Italian independent scene, which is going through an important new season. You've been with a major label for a while now, so I wonder whether you still keep a close eye on what's happening in the "underground". Which artists from this scene have caught your attention or curiosity most recently? (Here Bianconi will surprise anyone who still pictures him lost in Beethoven-style classicism, dreary Italian singer-songwriters and retro sounds, ed.). I follow the scene very closely, and I have to say there's a huge amount of new stuff I like. If I have to pick one name, there's an Italian artist whose debut work I find has a lot in common with our own first album. I'm talking about Vasco Brondi (Le luci della centrale elettrica), whose second album is coming out right around now. The buzz around his first album reminded me of what happened to us with "Sussidiario". I hope this parallel brings him luck. Interesting collaborations are also emerging within the Italian independent scene. You, on the other hand, give the impression of always wanting to stay a bit on the sidelines… Collaboration for its own sake isn't really my thing, it's not in my nature. Sometimes it's better to say your own piece on your own. Collaborating should happen naturally, not be forced. I don't think the Italian independent scene has to be seen as one big circle of friends. That might well happen in each of our private lives, and in fact it would be a welcome and desirable thing. But professionally speaking, everyone has to follow their own path. And among international artists, who has impressed you most lately? I've listened to a lot of stuff, and among the most recent, I found "Halcyon Digest", the latest album by Deerhunter, really excellent. Hats off to them. Do you get a lot of demos from up-and-coming bands? I get a huge number of demos, especially at our shows. Unfortunately I don't have the time to listen to them all. Nowadays technology helps young musicians a lot: with a modest financial outlay you can put together decent gear to record your own music - a PC, a good sound card, and you're set. But the sheer proliferation of small bands makes it impossible to follow, listen to and judge everything. I can listen to some of the demos I receive, but all I can really do is give an opinion on the content. I can say whether I like something or not, but I can't do anything beyond that. It's possible some people expect help from me, maybe to be introduced to a contact, even just an initial one, at a record label. But at most I can offer a personal opinion, especially in these times of crisis for the record industry. There's a curious but very widespread phenomenon I wanted to explore with you, one that affects young musicians in particular. At the start of their journey you find them everywhere - on MySpace, on Facebook - eager to engage with everyone, seeking out as many contacts as possible both with industry insiders and potential fans. Then, once they achieve even a modest amount of success, they begin what I'd call a process of scaling back their presence. I don't think it's simply a matter of time constraints... Staying in touch with your audience is important, but you need to keep a certain distance, otherwise the situation ends up backfiring on you. You have to maintain healthy communication with fans, be as available as possible, but always within certain limits. Communication is something I now consider essential for keeping relationships sound and proper. It's a different story for superstars on the level of Zucchero and Vasco Rossi, who risk having their privacy constantly violated, with thousands of fans potentially showing up to throw stones at their windows. Figures with that kind of overwhelming public exposure need to protect their personal lives and safety in some way, constantly under threat from fans whose actions could go beyond any reasonable bounds. Does Francesco Bianconi finally consider himself a "Modern Chansonnier" these days? Thanks for mentioning "Il musichiere 999" (track 10 on "Sussidiario", ed.). I still aspire to that. I've probably become one - according to some people I already have - but I'm still writing songs and looking for a worthwhile path. Still, I don't feel I can consider the mission accomplished. Do you plan to keep taking on work as a songwriter for hire? Definitely, if the right situations come along. Still open to composing film scores? Ah, we even wrote it in a little note on the back of the booklet that came with "Sussidiario" ("Baustelle is available for film scores", a line that now seems both touching and prophetic, ed.). After the happy experience of "Giulia non esce la sera" we'd like to give it another go. So the answer is yes, absolutely. Satisfy my curiosity: how did the dispute with the mayor of Follonica turn out? As far as I'm concerned the dispute is over, I consider it closed - in fact, I consider it as if it never even started. We dealt with it without ever giving any response. How do you feel about the now long-running issue of illegal downloading? I'm against illegal downloading. If the culture of illegality were to continue, all musicians would end up out of work. The only people left on the scene would be "hobbyist" musicians, making music for fun in their spare time, and the result would be a drastic drop in the average quality. I find all of that completely wrong. Of course, you can't stop technological change. Serious action needs to be taken at government level, with well-targeted awareness campaigns and adequate subsidies. Music needs to be paid for, just like a book. We need to foster a culture of legal downloading, perhaps even by pushing prices down towards free. I'd say the experiment of the nice celebratory box set for "Sussidiario" is a smart way of sidestepping illegality, a way of returning to the cult of the object… Sure; there's a whole separate discussion to be had about the "deluxe" market, aimed at people who feel it's worth owning a special package, with a beautifully curated booklet and nice photos. You can't download a package like that, you can only buy it. With the reissue of "Sussidiario", which comes in a basic version and a more luxurious one, that's exactly what we did. What should we expect from Baustelle tomorrow? I really couldn't tell you. Right now I'm not writing, since lately we've been completely focused on conceiving and promoting the return of "Sussidiario". Baustelle's success has led Italian music to reclaim the pleasure of telling small stories in a descriptive, narrative way. Drawing on the vast heritage of Italian singer-songwriter tradition, you created an approach to music for which you can be considered pioneers and modern points of reference… I don't know. When "Sussidiario" came out in 2000, Baustelle were seen as the new Marlene Kuntz or the new Afterhours, because of a certain attitude and the similarity of some sounds. Then, as time went by, we carved out our own distinct identity. If new bands today choose to draw inspiration from us, and see us as points of reference, it means we did a good job, that we communicated well with our audience. If that's the case, I can consider myself satisfied, at least on that front. So ends the pleasant phone conversation with one of the most sensitive Italian songwriters of recent years, who has managed to play retro music in a modern way, winning unanimous praise from critics and audiences alike. An artist who has by now left behind the strictly youth-oriented themes so well expressed on Baustelle's early albums, moving on to more mature subject matter. All that's left is to follow them on the short tour accompanying the reissue of "Sussidiario" and wait for the band's next artistic moves, which are sure not to disappoint. |
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Escaping lo-fi
I interview Francesco Bianconi after a sold-out show, in which, over an hour and a half, Baustelle unleash all the best tracks from their new album "La Malavita", a couple of singles from the previous "La Moda Del Lento", and, at the insistent request of an indie audience that knows them very well, plenty of songs from the cult album "Il Sussidiario Illustrato Della Giovinezza".
Hi Francesco, congratulations on the show. Despite the exhaustion, would you mind telling us a bit about Baustelle's story up to now?
Baustelle are a band from Montepulciano, in the province of Siena. We formed more or less in 1997. The line-up has changed a bit over time, and of the "old guard" there's just me, Rachele and Claudio left (the guitarist, ed.). Our very first record, "Sussidiario Illustrato Della Giovinezza", came out on Baracca&Burattini. It was distributed pretty badly, and it spread almost underground, by word of mouth…
But "Sussidiario" is a fairly well-known record, and above all a much-loved one.
It's well-known now, maybe. At the time it was bought by very few people, who, as you say, loved it a lot.
So if the situation had been different, would the record not be what it is?
If we recorded Sussidiario today, it would definitely be different. Maybe more similar to La Malavita. It's only natural. Back when we made Sussidiario we were very inexperienced as musicians, it was the first time we'd ever set foot in a recording studio. Amerigo Verardi did a brilliant job making everything sound original and effective. He helped us a lot. The funny thing is that a lot of journalists wrote about that record's "naive charm", as if it had been a deliberate choice. Actually, the naiveté and lo-fi aesthetic of a lot of records is very often down to technical shortcomings and a lack of production money, not an aesthetic choice. When you've got little money, you end up making a lo-fi record more out of necessity than by design.
Unlike "La Malavita"…
For La Malavita we had a somewhat bigger budget than for the two previous records. Let's be honest: that's the record that cost what it should have, it's the other two that were recorded on a shoestring and with a lot of personal sacrifice. This time we were able to make Baustelle sound the way we'd always wanted them to sound, even back on Sussidiario and Moda. Better microphones and preamps, a proper analogue mixing desk, a real string orchestra.
And what do you think of "La Moda Del Lento"?
I think it's a record with some excellent songs, but overall it's weaker than the other two. I think it will age less well than the others.
"La Malavita" is musically very different from Baustelle's previous records. How much of that was down to being produced by a major label like Warner?
As I said before, Warner only comes into it in terms of sound quality. La Malavita is a hi-fi record. That's how we wanted it. We wanted it to sound good, because in my opinion Baustelle's sound really benefits from a production geared towards bringing out nuance. A blues record or a primitive rock and roll record can sound great (in fact, maybe it always should) even recorded live with a single battered microphone. As for the songs, the arrangements, the creative side of things, that has absolutely nothing to do with signing to Warner. Nobody from the label ever came to the studio to see what we were up to. We handed them the finished record.
Let's talk a bit about one of Baustelle's long-standing strengths, the lyrics. I have to say you're one of the most original lyricists around, I'd call you a sort of Garinei-Giovannini-Kramer crossed with Fausto Rossi, how do you manage it?
Thanks for the comparison with Fausto Rossi. Along with a few others (Battiato, Garbo, Camerini), he's someone who brought a new way of writing pop song lyrics to Italy. A way influenced by a postmodern aesthetic. The song abandons narrative in the classic sense and instead spits out debris, fragments, quotations. As for me, I can't really answer the question "how do you write what you write". I just can't. The words just come out of me, like pee.
In fact you've said that "La Malavita" is a "pessimistic" album.
It's an album full of portraits of life in modern Western society. And, from what I can see, modern Western society is in deep crisis. Not to mention Italy. We're on course to win the Nobel Prize for cultural shallowness and intellectual vulgarity. What I see genuinely makes me want to go and live somewhere else. We've created a nation of free-marketeers, obscurantists, showgirls and climbing managers.
Could you say that, in the end, the essence of pop is precisely being able to communicate these things through so-called "little songs"?
Pop is synthesis. Saying things within the three minutes of a pop song. As for what you say, the content, everyone's free to choose, and that's the beauty of it. You can talk about politics, love, death, your next-door neighbour.
Still on the subject of lyrics, something very distinctive about your writing is the use of Catholic iconography, dropped in in a completely natural way, as if it were an everyday thing…
Yes, that's true… Well, like a lot of Italians, I had a Catholic upbringing. As a kid I was pretty obsessed with the figure of Christ on the cross, I used to draw it constantly. I was an altar boy for years… I'm not a believer, but I'm fascinated by the narrative power of the symbolic imagery tied to the Bible. It's a book that, more or less consciously, has influenced a lot of people: think of Leonard Cohen, Dylan, Nick Cave…
Which Italian artists from the contemporary scene do you like?
I like a whole lot of them, including Afterhours, Perturbazione, Morgan… I've been a fan of Federico Fiumani forever, he's a wonderful poet and outsider. I can't wait for Amerigo Verardi's new album with I Lotus. Offlaga Disco Pax made a great record, so did I Northpole. I like I Non Voglio che Clara, Goodmorningboy, Egokid. But the best album of this year is Ardecore by Ardecore. Moving - I'd recommend it to anyone I care about.
The best Baustelle album?
Definitely "La Malavita".
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INTERVIEW WITH FABRIZIO MASSARA
Here's what Fabrizio Massara, former member of Baustelle, told us about "La Malavita", the latest album he took part in.
Hi Fabrizio, for those who don't know you, let's recap your history with Baustelle: how did you end up joining the band?
I met Francesco (Bianconi, ed.) around '94, at the University of Siena. I was looking for musicians to play with and a friendship was born. Naturally, we shared an interest in music - I offered to help out on the technical side, production and recording, for Francesco's band at the time. I had a small home four-track recorder, and from there I ended up working on the songs for "Sussidiario" ("Il Sussidiario Illustrato della Giovinezza", ed.) and the EP that preceded it, adding some of my own ideas too and becoming part of the band, playing keyboards and computer.
Tell me more about how you and Francesco worked things out when writing together.
Well, I was kind of the tech geek of the group - I'm really into new wave sounds, colder and more acidic than what Francesco was into. He loves a certain kind of 60s-70s pop singer-songwriter stuff, Phil Spector and American songwriters, to give you an idea, and on "La Malavita" he tried to bring exactly that together.
Since you brought up the new album, let's talk a bit about it - the one where you're credited as a formal author, but which also marked your departure from Baustelle, as everyone knows.
You know, it's easy to jump on the winner's bandwagon now… In my opinion, Baustelle deserved to be known by a wider audience years ago already. In Italy there's a fairly provincial mentality, whereby as long as you're a "poor loser" you get, at best, a pat on the back, but if a major label signs you, you automatically gain a certain cachet — and a certain budget, obviously.
Can you explain that better?
The decision to make a more guitar-driven record, with the use of a more substantial symphonic apparatus, thanks in part to Warner's greater financial resources, was entirely deliberate and, I think, well achieved — I myself took part in defining the string arrangements. Of course, personally I would have preferred to use those possibilities differently, perhaps in a more experimental way, using more electronic inserts and more acoustic instruments at the same time, less electric in other words. It's true that the album was recorded in Turin and I wasn't always there, so during production many of my choices were dropped in favor of
earlier ones, already recorded at the pre-production stage, or for editing reasons (for example a section on "Perché una ragazza", arrangements on the choruses of "A vita bassa", "Un romantico a Milano", and some programming on various tracks). Anyway, I want to say that, as far as I could see, Warner left the band full discretion, both on the lyrics and on the music. It's normal for certain choices to be made during production.
But I have to admit I hear very little of you on this new record, in terms of presence, of "touch" in the arrangements, especially compared to "La Moda Del Lento".
It's true that this is the Baustelle album I worked on the least, partly for practical reasons and partly because I felt increasingly less inside the spirit of the album and the band as the work went on. The decision I made was very difficult for me, and unexpected for the others — in fact I don't enjoy listening to "La Malavita" much, but if I have to give you an objective opinion, I think it's certainly a good record, one that confirms and crystallizes a series of traits typical of Baustelle over the years. It does so with a more expensive, more professional production (so the record sounds good by the standards of the average listener), and with a simplification of choices compared to previous albums. It's no coincidence that both the electric and electronic parts are much more linear — if anything, everything is too linear, too predictable, with models in mind that are all too precise and obvious.
If I understand correctly, then, this new "Warner moment" for Baustelle influenced your decision to leave the band.
In the end, I'm someone who enjoys, and has always enjoyed, small inventions, details, and on this record I don't find much of that. In fact, for some things, like "Il Nulla", which is one of the tracks I co-wrote, I'm absolutely unsatisfied with how the production turned out. Unfortunately, once I confirmed the total incompatibility between who I am, my role, and that of the producer of this album — who instead enjoyed the full support of the band and the management structure — I preferred to take a couple of steps back for the good of the band and of "stability".
It remains, in any case, an album of great pop songs with a "retro" flavor, with Francesco's lyrics deservedly getting mentioned more often than the music underneath. That's fine, it was about time people took notice of Baustelle, and if it wasn't going to happen with this kind of exposure… It's just that I no longer felt happy handling that kind of approach, one that looks to models and references that interested me little or not at all (I mean the Strokes et similia generation), and I wanted to try new things, further removed even from the typical drums-bass-guitar rock band format, away from the constant filling of every available space and frequency.
So, in short, do you like "La Malavita" or not?
"La Malavita" is something of a compendium of Baustelle's decade-long career, but it's not what I want to do.
And what is it that you want to do?
Ah, maybe for now I know more about what I don't want to do than what I do want to do! I like barer sounds than the ones I've worked with in recent years. I'm experimenting with various things, and playing a lot of piano, both acoustic and electric (thanks in part to emulations of classic instruments from the past, like the Yamaha CP80, among others). In general, what I'm working on has an electroacoustic ideal: I'd like to combine very contemporary timbres and approaches with things that are, precisely, more acoustic. I have ideas in mind that I want to develop with certain instruments, so I don't rule out, once I have clearer ideas, working with other musicians.
Do you miss Baustelle? Wouldn't you like to be on tour with them?
You know, deep down Baustelle represented a great artistic "love affair" for me, especially between me and Francesco and our different chemistries. But I could see it all starting to unravel, precisely because of new/old sonic "desires", as well as shifts in the internal balance of the group, and so for me it became necessary to step away.
What are your current projects?
Right now I'm working alone, searching for a hypothetical middle ground between the traditional song form and something else - more expansive spaces, something definitely more intimate and less "loud and macho" than some of Baustelle's recent work. As I was telling you before, there's a love for small beauties, and a desire to come to terms with emptiness, with silence, with whispers. What I'm doing now consists of very spontaneous ideas, harmonically more open and "refined" than my previous work, with jazzy touches and chords that stem from what I've been listening to over the last couple of years... I'm thinking of Bill Evans, for instance, but also a certain strain of soul and Brazilian music from decades ago.
Great, tell me a bit about what you've been listening to...
Among the things I've listened to recently, I'd mention: Gutevolk, Vashti Bunyan, old Terry Callier records, Debussy, some Messiaen. I also discovered some of Tchaikovsky's "songs", these micro-symphonies that even people at the Conservatory often don't know. I also like Max Richter, an English composer with some really beautiful ideas. And I agree with your praise for Murcof, he made a really great record.
Last question: your favorite song on "La Malavita".
I enjoyed revisiting "I Provinciali", which, as you know, comes from the "Sussidiario" material. The original was quite different, and I'm rather happy with the result.
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This article is an English translation of the original Italian text by Veronica Rosi, published on OndaRock.it. It was translated with the help of artificial intelligence, under the editorial responsibility of OndaRock's editor-in-chief, Claudio Fabretti.
| BAUSTELLE | ||
| Illustrated Primer of Youth (Baracca&Burattini/ Edel, 2000) | 8 | |
| La moda del lento (Bmg, 2003) | 7.5 | |
| La malavita (Warner, 2005) | 6.5 | |
| Amen (Warner, 2008) | 7 | |
| Giulia non esce la sera OST (2009) | 6 | |
| I mistici dell'Occidente (Atlantic, 2010) | 6.5 | |
| Fantasma (Warner, 2013) | 7.5 | |
| Roma Live! (live, Warner, 2015) | 5 | |
| L'amore e la violenza (Warner, 2017) | 7 | |
| L'amore e la violenza Vol. 2 (Warner, 2018) | 6.5 | |
| Elvis (BMG, 2023) | 6.5 | |
| Baustelle - I Cani (split, 42 Records, 2023) | 6 | |
| El Galactico (BMG, 2025) | 7 | |
| FRANCESCO BIANCONI | ||
| Forever (Ponderosa/BMG, 2020) | 7 | |
| Forever In Technicolor (Ponderosa/BMG, 2021) | 7 | |
| Accade (Ponderosa/BMG, 2022) | 6.5 | |
| RACHELE BASTREGHI | ||
| Marie (Warner, 2015) | 6 | |
| Psychodonna (Atlantic/Warner, 2021) | 7 |