Ofeliadorme - Pop-rock between dream and reality

interview by Fabio Guastalla

With only two albums to their name – "All Harm Ends Here" from 2011 and "Bloodroot" from 2013 – Bologna's Ofeliadorme stand out as one of the most refined acts on the Italian independent scene: a sound perpetually straddling various genres (dream-pop, shoegaze, indie-rock are just the first that come to mind), poised between deconstruction and a love of melody; lyrics that are carefully crafted and brought to the fore by Francesca Bono's voice, itself balanced on the fine line between dream and reality. It's a fascinating project, one that's increasingly talked about abroad and still far too little in Italy. We spoke with Francesca, Michele Postpischl and Gianluca Modica, who together with Tato Izzia make up Ofeliadorme, about this and more.

The new album “Bloodroot” is about roots, so let's start from your own origins: how and when was the Ofeliadorme project born? And musically speaking, what are your main sources of inspiration?

Francesca: We started in 2008, in Bologna: one (almost) true-born Bolognese, Michele Postpischl, and three Bolognese by adoption, myself, Tato Izzia and Gianluca "g.Mod" Modica. The name is inspired by a poem by Rimbaud, and our music draws on different sources: music, cinema, literature, psychology, the small-yet-big stories of human beings.
 
As we were saying, "Bloodroot" isn't a concept album, and yet it revolves around a single theme: that of roots. A carefully weighed choice, or an unconscious impulse?

F: Both. Unconscious during the writing phase, recurring during the refining phase, especially where certain themes kept coming back in some lyrics. Undoubtedly, since I'm the one writing the words, behind it all there's also a reflection first and foremost on my own roots. On what it means to have a place in the world, and whether that place is necessarily a geographical one in the strict sense. My biggest problem, the one that leaves me open-mouthed searching for an answer that never comes to my rescue, is when people ask me "where are you from?".

There's absolutely no way I can give you a single, clear-cut answer.

Michele: Both. The considered idea came right after we'd fleshed out the lyrical content of some of the songs we were writing. From there we did a bit of sifting to decide which ones would end up on the record.

 
One distinctive trait of the way you make music seems to be the manipulation of song structure, often approached as a kind of subtraction: work that was already underway on your debut "All Harm Ends Here" and further refined on "Bloodroot". How do the songs come about? And what essential quality does each of them need to have?

F: Over the years I've noticed that all four of us share a trait: a close attention to the parts each of us plays. We listen to each other a lot when we're in the rehearsal room, we're not the kind of musicians who chase individual "glory" first and foremost, who insist on playing as much as possible on every track no matter what. On the contrary, every note or hit is exactly where we feel it should be. If we're playing and realize the song works better without something, we take it out without hesitation. We look for balance, we don't want to force our way into the listener's perception, we'd rather aim for attention that's genuinely worth paying, even if that sometimes means fewer listeners. But we don't really mind, just as we don't mind that some people don't get why we sing in English or the fact that we're not easily pigeonholed into this or that sub-genre definition. We're the kind of people who notice the most insignificant details. Every song has its own genesis and its own story. And a very personal mood.

M: The main thing we look for in every song is the atmosphere - relaxed, driving, anxious, whatever it may be. That's the end goal. Usually we start off improvising, letting ourselves go, over a more or less defined "structure", and then, as you rightly say, we start stripping away, smoothing out and adding colour, turning what was just a raw, primal feeling into a setting where we can fully live inside it.
 
Beyond the continuity in approach and musical formula, other elements seem to link "All Harm Ends Here" and "Bloodroot". For instance, a love for heroes who are tragic in their own way, yet whose figure, real or invented, is still very much alive in our musical and literary culture: Ian Curtis on the first record, Ulysses on the second. In your view, what sets the two albums you've made apart, and what unites them?

F: There are so many heroes, so many anti-heroes and so many ordinary people, which doesn't mean they're less interesting - it means that in their own small way they make History, even if no shared memory of them will be kept. In our songs, it happens that we come across all of them. Ian Curtis and Ulysses are both, in their own way, very tragic figures. And we, as Italians, can be pretty dramatic at certain moments. "All Harm Ends Here" and "Bloodroot" are like two photographs taken at different times and in different places of the same person. Let's put it that way. You know that feeling when you're already a bit unsettled looking at photos of yourself from 10 years ago? That's kind of the sensation for me - you know it's you, sometimes you like what you see, sometimes less so, but there's no doubt a lot has changed. The details make up the whole picture. I think we can say with a light heart that we've come a long way, and we keep on doing so. The search can never really end.

M: Saying we feel detached from the first album would be wrong, but it's also true that we no longer feel about a lot of those songs the way we once did. What the two records have in common is the approach, giving a sense of purpose and unity to a project; what sets them apart is the fact that back then Ofelia dreamed of and waited for a better world, while today she's understood that she has to go out and take it before it's taken away from her.
 
Both in Italy and abroad, without fail, whichever reviewer's turn it is has to sweat blood trying to find a way to define your sound. At this point I feel almost obliged to turn the tables on you: how would you describe Ofeliadorme in a single sentence?

M: Problematic.

Gianluca: Two words: hypnotic, eclectic.

F: Maybe we're too lazy to come up with some interesting, catchy formula to sum up our music. The truth is we just don't think about it at all… there are lots of influences, but they're filtered through our own sensibility. Some of them probably don't even show up at all, like my passion for certain rap, say the Beastie Boys. Or g.Mod's passion for opera. What I can tell you is that we've been labeled in a whole bunch of ways, here they are — if you can think of a way to sum them up, let us know: new wave/neo-psychedelia/alt-pop/alt-rock/psych-folk/post-rock/shoegaze/dream-pop/indie/dark-folk/soft-rock/etc.

 
You've toured Italy and Europe, and even landed two genuinely prestigious "calls," like SXSW 2012 and Liverpool Sound City 2013. The feeling is that sometimes it's really much easier to win recognition abroad than in your own country…

F: No man is a prophet in his own land. And then there's the by-now-completely-derailed logic of the record industry and, as a result, everything that revolves around it. There's also a lot of laziness, even mental laziness, in our country.

M: I don't know if it holds true for everyone, but it certainly seems to for us.

 
The Bologna scene, which you're part of, has always been one of the most active in Italy. How important was it to find a place within such a stimulating environment? Which other bands have you shared a path with, or do you have particular bonds of friendship and kinship with anyone?

M: Bologna is a really great city from that point of view, we know a lot of the bands based here or nearby. Maybe it's our own fault, or maybe it's simply because we've never gone looking for it, but so far we can't claim to have shared many stages with others. We share rehearsal space with Umberto Maria Giardini, and some musicians from the "scene" played on the album (Vittoria Burattini of Massimo Volume, Marcello Petruzzi-33ore, Bruno Germano-Settlefish, Angela Baraldi, Alberto Poloni-ohTheLadyStone) and, even though it was wonderful to share those days, I don't think we can really talk about sharing a path together. We've always made our own way alone, up to now.

F: Bologna has a very thriving, very multifaceted scene, there's a bit of everything, and over time you end up at least recognizing everyone by sight. There's so much history of Italian independent music here, it's really stimulating. Right now we're meeting up periodically with a big group of other Bologna musicians to swap ideas and try to create something more collaborative among us. It's too early to talk about it in detail, but something good could come out of it.
Among the bands taking part in this work-in-progress project, besides us, are: Suz, Decana, 33Ore, Una, Melampus, Anni Luce, …A Toys Orchestra, Mimes Of Wine, Divanofobia, Montauk, Mariposa, Two Moons, The Crazy Crazy World of Mr Rubik, Walking Mountains, Cut and so on.
G: It's true, Bologna has always been very musically active, but it's equally true, speaking from my/our own experience, that at the start there were plenty of difficulties in getting a foothold in it, for a number of reasons. Still, I think that lately, as Francesca was saying, the scene has opened up, creating more cohesion between the different scenes within it.
 
The promotional tour for "Bloodroot" is in full swing, but if you could organize your dream show, who would you want to play with, and where?

F: Right now I'd love to play a show with Daughter, or if we really want to dream big, Nick Cave.

G: A great show in Val Di Susa, in support of the local population who for years have been protesting and fighting against those who decided to devastate and pollute their land.

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This article is an English translation of the original Italian text by Fabio Guastalla, published on OndaRock.it. It was translated with the help of artificial intelligence, under the editorial responsibility of OndaRock's editor-in-chief, Claudio Fabretti.

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