Necks - The Wondrous Trio

interview by Myriam Bardino

Hard to pin down between jazz, ambient, avant-garde and minimalism, the Necks are cited by countless musicians and music critics as one of the most compelling bands currently active. Their concerts are always a unique, unrepeatable experience. We met this “wondrous trio” during their four sold-out nights in London. Between one chat and another, we arranged this interview with Lloyd Swanton, with the tacit consent of Tony Buck and Chris Abrahams.

You've just finished your European tour, how did it go?

It was exhausting, but incredibly rewarding. It was a very successful tour and every show was outstanding. We're still delighted that a band that started out almost as a lark in a rehearsal room in Australia nearly three decades ago is now drawing packed houses every night on the other side of the world. It's truly something none of us ever imagined.

You've been playing for 25 years - what's changed for you in the way you compose and interact?

To be precise, we've been playing together for 28 years. The basic principles were established right away. Not much has really changed, except perhaps for a gradual evolution that would be hard to put into words. I think one of the most telling changes has been on the technological side. We're certainly recording our albums differently than we did 25 years ago, but I think that's true for pretty much any band that's been together this long. Maybe one thing that sets us apart from others is that we always try to record most of our studio albums in real-time.

Do you use different creative processes for recording your music compared to live performance? Do you see any limits in recording?

When we're in the studio we try to gather all the material and then sift through it over a period of several weeks. We're not restricted to just piano, double bass and drums. The only limit I can think of is that special feeling a concert can convey live. Although, on the other hand, we've found that a great concert doesn't necessarily make a great live record. Sometimes you really just have to be there to experience it.

In October I saw the Necks on stage both as a trio and with Evan Parker. On both occasions you developed quite different musical experiences. Which dynamic do you prefer? Exploring the musical boundaries of the three instruments, or bringing new elements into your trio?

We're essentially an acoustic trio and everything starts from that foundation. We're very careful and selective about our collaborations, and fortunately, so far, they've all been very rewarding experiences.

picture_5705_01During your live shows, the audience reacts in different ways: some almost fall into a trance, a sort of deep relaxation, others seem to experience an ecstatic joy, I've even seen people cry and a couple walk out furious. What kind of emotions have you encountered on your tours? Do you think audiences receive your music differently in different countries?

I wasn't aware that some people cried. That's rather surprising to me, I don't find our music particularly emotional. In any case, what I've learned in all my years working as a professional musician is that music is open to as many interpretations as there are listeners. I also hadn't noticed that some people left furious. Oh well, either way, you can't please everyone. It's better to just let the rest of the audience enjoy the show. To be honest, I haven't noticed much difference between audiences depending on the venue. When the audience connects with our music, it doesn't matter where they are or where they're from.

Generally, music critics are rather puzzled when they have to label the Necks' music. Reading various reviews, I've seen terms used like jazz, avant-garde, post- or avant-jazz, ambient, improvisation, minimalism, kraut-rock, trance. On your website, you define your music as "experimental jazz." As musicians, does it bother you when your music gets labeled?

I can't deny we've earned something of a reputation for being “unclassifiable”. That can cause a bit of trouble, not just for journalists but for us too, although either way I think the lack of a label is definitely a good thing. Some journalists have compared us to the Keith Jarrett Trio, EST and Dirty Three. While I have deep respect for those groups, I think that's an example of lazy journalism.

In Australia, you won the ARIA Awards for Best Jazz Album in 2003 with "Drive By," and in 2005 with "Chemist." Do you think that would have been possible in Europe? Do you think Australia is more open to innovation, with less focus on categories?

Actually, I think Australia is less open to innovation, with less focus on categories. Perhaps one thing you need to understand about Australian culture is that it's hard to reach “critical mass”, given our isolation and small population. There are so many incredible things happening culturally, but it's very hard to group them into movements or trends. The Necks definitely couldn't have come from anywhere else. And the lack of pressure in Australia (even more so a quarter of a century ago) was exactly what the Necks needed at the start of our creative process.

In 25 years, you've recorded 17 albums (4 of which are live). If someone wanted to start listening to the Necks for the first time, would you have any particular recommendations?

We're proud of all our albums and no single one is fully representative. My advice would be to try listening to one, and then maybe another. Among my favourites are “Aquatic”, “Hanging Gardens”, “Silent Night”, “Aether”, “Silverwater” and “Open“. But again, we're very proud of all of them, and I humbly feel they've all stood the test of time.

Did you set up your own label, Fish Of Milk, because you wanted complete control over your records? Does your catalogue only feature Necks records, or are you thinking about producing other bands too?

The label we recorded for early on was very slow to pay us. In the end, they paid us everything we were owed, which is still far more than we ever got from other labels we've worked with. Either way, we figured it would be better to have control over our own band, and I'm glad we set up FoM. We've only ever released Necks material through it, partly because it's much simpler that way. All costs and profits are split three ways. So there are no plans to sign other bands, even though there are plenty of interesting groups out there.

You were one of the first bands to adopt the CD format, with "Sex" in 1989 - what was your encounter with this new technology like? What do you think are the advantages offered by online technology nowadays?

We certainly weren't “literally” the first, but the arrival of the CD format was definitely a fortunate moment for us. By that point, we'd already established the principles of our improvisation in a fairly long format, so we hadn't even really considered recording our material. The CD flipped our original idea on its head, because it gave us the chance to record hour-long pieces without interruption. As for where online technology is taking the music business, it's honestly a bit disheartening. I just finished reading “Free Ride: How the Internet is Destroying the Culture Business and How the Culture Business Can Fight Back” by Robert Levine, and it's dispiriting to see how things have been taken out of the hands of their creators. Personally I don't like downloading, legal or otherwise, but I'm probably in the minority there. As for the Necks, we're lucky to have a loyal fan base who wouldn't dream of not paying for our music. We're fortunate that our CDs sell reasonably well for a band at our level. But who knows how many people have never paid for our music. Either way, as for online technology, we'll soon be offering digital downloads for all our albums.

"Mindset" in 2011 was your first and only vinyl release. Why did you decide to work on vinyl? Did you already have compositions that were suited to the vinyl format, or did you write pieces specifically for it?

Even though we think the CD is a great format and we like the sound, all three of us also love vinyl. We felt we were ready for the challenge of writing two pieces of music that could capture the essence of the Necks in about 20 minutes, instead of an hour. I'm not sure we would have been ready before 2011, we were caught up in other creative processes. We also had fun creating two separate pieces divided by a gap that could last a few seconds or several weeks, and that gap had to involve a physical action too (like getting up to flip the record) as a way of bridging that span of time.

I've read that at the start of your musical journey you didn't feel live performance fully expressed your musical concept, and nowadays many argue that live is the form in which you express yourselves best. What do you think has changed in your approach to playing live?

When we started playing together, we thought the best way to do justice to our music was to play among ourselves, privately. Personally, I felt it was important for our music that we had it clear in our minds that we would never play the Necks' music publicly. For me, live is always the original concept of the Necks, that model, that foundation we can always refer back to, but I'd be cautious about saying it's our best form. I feel very comfortable in a recording studio, and I'm very proud of what we've done with the studio albums.

What are your future plans? Will you be making a new album, will you be touring Italy anytime soon?

We've planned a tour of Australia at the start of the new year, and we'll also be setting aside some time for the studio. We'll be touring Europe around March-April, but we won't be doing more than ten dates. We're also planning a longer European tour, around twenty dates or so, for September/October. We love playing in Italy and hope to come back soon, but right now we don't yet know what our agent has booked.

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This article is an English translation of the original Italian text by Myriam Bardino, published on OndaRock.it. It was translated with the help of artificial intelligence, under the editorial responsibility of OndaRock's editor-in-chief, Claudio Fabretti.

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Discography

Sex (Spiral Scratch, 1989 - ristampa Fish of Milk)
Next (Spiral Scratch, 1990 - ristampa Fish of Milk)
Beyon El Rocco (Vox, 1993) - "Royal family" for the soundtrack of Kevin Lucas's documentary, "Beyon El rocco"
Acquatic (Fish of Milk/Shock, 1994)
Silent Night (Fish of Milk/Shock, 1996)
Piano Bass Drums (live, Fish of Milk/Shock, 1998)
The Boys (Wild Sound, 1989 - reissued by Fish of Milk) - Soundtrack for Rowan Woods's film, "Boys"
Hanging Gardens (Fish of Milk/Shock, 1999)
Aether (Fish of Milk, Shock, 2001)
Athenaeum, Homebush, Quay & Raab (live, Fish of Milk/Shock, 2002)
Photosynthetic (Long Arms, 2003)
Drive By (Fish of Milk/Shock, 2003)
Mosquito/See Through (Fish of Milk, 2004)
Chemist (Fish of Milk/Shock, 2006)
Townsville (live, Fish of Milk, 2007)
Silverwater (Fish of Milk, 2009)
Strade Trasparenti (Staubgold, 2011) - for the soundtrack of the film by Augusto Contento
Mindest (Fish of Milk 2011)
Open (Fish of Milk, 2013)
Unfold (Ideologic Organ, 2017)
Body (Northern Spy, 2018)
Three (Northern Spy, 2020)
Travel (Northern Spy, 2023)
Bleed (Northern Spy, 2024)
Disquiet (Fish Of Milk, 2025)
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