Jeremy Tuplin - New colors for English songwriting

interview by Gianfranco Marmoro
Welcome back, Jeremy. I still have fond memories of the first time we met in Avellino during the tour for the album “Pink Mirror”, I see your enthusiasm and desire to experiment are still intact?
Hi Gianfranco, I remember it well. My first tour in Italy, playing at the Godot in Avellino, meeting people like you and other music lovers, all so kind and generous – it was a beautiful experience, and it remains one of my favourite shows in Italy. And yes, the pleasure I get from writing songs is still intact. I don't consider the creative impulse a rare trait in people – I think it's fundamental. I've simply become addicted to it (I hope in a good way). And there's something in my inner nature that pushes me to approach writing or creativity in a slightly different way with each project. It mostly comes from a need to keep things interesting for myself, but also from a natural reluctance to go back over subjects I've already covered before.

 

Jeremy TuplinHaving moved through different styles wasn't exactly a happy choice commercially – are you partly disappointed?
It's terrible from a commercial point of view. I think releasing a concept album pseudo-disco based on Greek mythology set my music career back by 5 years. I suppose, if I think about it, there are certain feelings tied to the “success” of my music that could be linked to disappointment, but you can't live your life nursing that kind of feeling. I don't write songs or make music with commercial success in mind – I do it because I feel driven to, and from a romantic, idealistic point of view I think the music I make can have a positive impact on people. You know, to spread a positive message. Whether it's commercially successful or not has nothing to do with me: from an artistic standpoint it's not my concern, though from a financial one I suppose it is.

In the song “Albert Einstein Song”, from your first album “I Dreamt I Was An Astronaut”, you asked “Is there something bigger?” referring to David Bowie, a figure who's always present in your work – have you found an answer?
No, I don't think so. Or maybe in one sense yes, and in another no. I think that, in relation to that particular line, the answer might be that of course everything is bigger than ourselves. It's easier to understand now than it was when I wrote it ten years ago, when I was twenty. It's the age-old struggle to let go of the ego. Throughout human history, and seemingly more and more so, everything is governed by the ego, which is of course incredibly problematic. I don't think things will change anytime soon…
 
I've always appreciated those deliberate little imperfections scattered throughout your albums, an element that on the previous “Orville’s Discotheque” gave the original foray into disco music a certain crossover quality, but also an eccentricity that seems to have vanished on the new album
Thanks. I imagine that with “Orville's Discotheque” you were paying homage to the disco without being at all disco; it was distorted and dark, whereas the real disco tends to have a very polished sound. There are certainly deliberate imperfections and foreign sounds lo-fi and outside elements very deliberately placed on “Planet Heaven” too, meant to give the listener a sense of familiarity, so that they might perhaps imagine the environment the songs were recorded in – since it's the first album recorded at home rather than in a studio – and hopefully carry them into the world the album inhabits. But it's also a choice born out of limitation, because my recording gear and the space at home don't exactly allow for a high-fidelity sound. But I suppose that too was a conscious choice.
 
"Planet Heaven” is the project closest to your debut, a poetic record that drew on the imagery of Leonard Cohen and by Tindersticks, yet at the same time it's even darker and more refined, almost like the closing of a circle
Yes, I agree, I think it's the album closest to my debut “I Dreamt I Was An Astronaut,” and in a way it closes the circle to support that album. Even though I tend to have imagery tied to the cosmos in a lot of my music, I always thought I'd make another album, maybe a concept albumwhich once again focused on space, like that debut. “Planet Heaven” definitely isn't that, and I never thought the songs were similar, either thematically or poetically, to the “Astronaut” record until I looked back on it afterwards and tried to make sense of “Planet Heaven” as a body of songs: it felt to me like a return to the cosmos, thematically speaking, but instead of dreaming of the stars, my gaze was drawn back to Earth, from space – this beautiful, fragile sphere that is all we've ever known, as Carl Sagan puts it. That seems like a fitting way to sum up the new album.

 

This is the first time you've turned to contributions from other artists – how did these collaborations come about?

I think the idea of using different voices throughout a record can be an interesting sonic effect, in this case perhaps suggesting the idea of a dialogue between different characters or people on this planet, as opposed to just a single self. It's something a lot of albums do really well, from “Homecoming” by Du Blonde to “Coin Collection” by Spencer Cullum. Dominic Silvani is one of my closest friends, then there's heka (I've known and worked with Francesca Brierley for years), Adrian Crowley and Dana Gavanski, who I got to know more recently. I've also known Kerry for years. They're all artists I respect enormously. I feel really lucky and privileged to have their contributions on this record.

 
I get the impression the approach to songwriting has changed this time around, at times almost languid in the style of Lou Reed (“The Planets Temporary”). Do you seem more focused on sound than melody?
Maybe. I think that sound and tone, both for the instruments and for the voice, have been prioritized to a certain extent. And I do have a certain inclination for monotone vocal melodies, spoken-word singing in some songs – I think it's a writing method that allows for subtleties in the melody, with an emphasis on rhythm, poetry and metre, as well as the opportunity to bring a lot of emotion and character to your delivery. Maybe next time I'll change again and focus more on being more melodic, but I'll always be more Lou Reed than Beatles; it's just in my nature, and in my inclination towards nuance, subtlety andunderstatement.
 
What was it like working with Dana Gavanski and Adrian Crowley?
Fantastic. Both completely different voices, but they occupy their own space beautifully, in different ways. With Adrian we met up earlier when he was in London, but he recorded the vocals in Ireland and sent them to me, while Dana came to my house to record hers. The great thing about involving different people, especially since this album was quite an isolated project – I recorded mostly on my own at home – is that everyone brings their own ideas and interpretations. That's true of the other musicians who played on this record too.

 

I was surprised to find Kerry Devine on the album, an artist I love and had lost track of – how did you meet?
Kerry is involved in running Trapped Animal Records, which is putting out "Planet Heaven", so I was contractually obliged to include her voice on the album – joking, of course. She's also the lead singer of the band The Baby Seals. There's a playful boldness in her voice that I thought would suit "Pigeon Song" perfectly, and I think it really worked well.
 
Is the band currently backing you different from the one on the "Pink Mirror" tour?
Yes, a lot of the personnel has changed for various reasons. The live line-up right now is Miles Hobbs on bass, who also plays on the album, Owen Dawson on keyboards and synth, Roman Xavier on drums, and Maris Peterlevics sometimes on violin too – he was on the "Pink Mirror" tour, if you remember. Samuel Nicholson, who was part of that tour on lead guitar, also played on this album. And Angus McIntyre was the other "Planet Heaven" collaborator, on live drums.
 
Your albums have always been marked by a common thread – can "Planet Heaven" also be considered a concept album?
I think most of my albums have had recurring themes that tie the songs together, maybe apart from "Violet Waves". Sure, "Orville's Discotheque" was a concept album narrative in the truest sense of the word, following a more or less linear plot. "Planet Heaven" isn't like that, obviously, but again there are common threads, as the title suggests, celebrating the beauty of the planet and, you know, its very particular and rare conditions for hosting life. But also, related to that, the fleeting nature of all things. I recently read an interview with Cass McCombs in which he said that everything is melancholic because everything crumbles, and you have to love it while it's here. I guess that's exactly the point, "Planet Heaven" included.
 
Jeremy Tuplin"Planet Heaven" is without doubt your most ambitious and elaborate album, the least immediate and accessible in your discography – how do you think audiences will react this time?
I have no idea, you know. I can never say these things. As we've already said, I try to evolve with each new batch of songs and create something new for myself and, in some way, for music's historical canon. I'd rather not do something that's already been done a thousand times, or that I've already done myself. Which, in a sense, means it gets harder every time, because everything has already been done before, in one way or another. If that makes the album less accessible and immediate, then I guess I can live with that. I don't think much about how the music will be received when I'm writing it – maybe I should! But then I think you're in dangerous territory, artistically speaking. All you can do is keep doing what you do, and as long as I feel like writing songs, that's what I think I'll do.
 
You've toured Italy often before - should we expect you again to promote the new album, or will you be heading to places you haven't explored yet this time?
I love coming to Italy to perform, that's the truth. I always feel very welcome there. I really hope to come back next year. And aside from the writing and the actual music-making, getting the chance to travel to new places to play my songs for a new audience is my favorite part of all this. It's a privilege to be able to do it.
 
Who would you like to collaborate with in the future, and why?
The person who comes to mind is someone I've thought in the past it would be fantastic to write songs with and record some kind of duet, and that's Jessica PrattI think there could be a similar approach to softness and delicacy in the music, even in the lyrics, that could be interesting to explore.

“Moon Song” is your most rarefied and poetic song - is it the first seed of another stylistic shift?
I think there's usually a song on each of my albums that signals an obvious stylistic shift on the next one. For instance, maybe “Space Magic” was a hint of “Orville's Discotheque”. But with the songs I'm writing right now, I don't know, none of them really feel like they share a style with “Planet Heaven”. But we'll see, something is evolving again, it's just taking its time to reveal itself.

This time too there's no CD version planned - will you add one later on like you did with “Orville's Discotheque”, or have you decided to drop the compact disc format for good?
I compact disc they're coming back into fashion, or at least that's what I've heard. We already have CDs available for “Planet Heaven” both on Bandcamp and on the Trapped Animal Records website, and I'll have some to sell at shows too. People say it's a relic of the past, but I'm a fan of the compact discI think it produces a fantastic sound. I hope it comes back into style.

Thanks for your time, see you soon Jeremy
Thank you Gianfranco. I hope to see you again on the next tour.

(07/02/2026)

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Hi Jeremy, it's a pleasure to talk to you again after we met on August 7th in Avellino, where I got the chance to hear your band live. A year on from the “Pink Mirror” tour, you've already got a new album out, so I'd say everything's going well?
Hi Gianfranco, it's really great to talk to you after meeting you in Avellino just over a year ago. But yes, with the new album out just a few months now, I'd say things are going well on the musical side.
I recall that in one of your first interviews after the release of "I Dreamt I Was An Austronaut" you stated: "I tend to get bored quite quickly, I like to think I wouldn't make music if I weren't trying to offer something new and different". I have to say, listening to the three albums you've released so far, you've stayed true to that statement. 
That sounds like something I must have said. I still agree with that statement and, thinking back on the last three albums, they've all had a certain character, different in their own way. It's good to hear that you agree. What I'm working on right now will, hopefully, continue along that line.
 

You're an eclectic musician and a keen listener of your peers' work – among your past influences you've mentioned Al Green, King Creosote, Leonard Cohen, Bill Callahan, Willy Mason, David Bowie, Andy Shauf. Beyond stylistic leanings, is there a musician you feel close to, not necessarily musically but more on a personal, inner, cultural level?   

I mention him a lot in interviews, I think – the musician who comes to mind in answer to this question is Cass McCombs. I was once asked to write an article about a musician for a British online publication, and I wrote about Cass, but as far as I know it was never published. But I think part of what I wrote was something along the lines of feeling that his songwriting offers a perspective on the world that's similar to mine – a perspective that swings between something like absurdity and surrealism on one hand, and deep introspective reflection on the other. He writes about politics, about subjects that interest me, he writes with a rather unusual sense of humour and, you know, from the perspective of a white middle-class male who's aware of all that. His music and writing are very layered, and I feel like I can connect with them on many levels and draw various layers of enjoyment from listening to them. Maybe that describes him best.
 
Tell us about your experience with Folkwit, and do you know the real reasons behind the closure of that quirky English label?
I think my debut album “I Dreamed I Was An Astronaut” was the last record they put out, so maybe that has something to do with it. But really, as far as I know, it was down to financial and personal reasons. I'm grateful to them for putting my music out into the world at the start of my career.
 
Across your three albums the sound has become increasingly fuller and more solid, less dreamlike and closer to your band's live dimension – was that a deliberate choice or an evolution that happened naturally on the road? 
I guess it's a bit of both. Once the band came together and I was playing with them more regularly, maybe it became something unconscious – I tend to write a lot of songs with that in mind, knowing I'll be performing and playing the songs in a live setting. It means there's a lot more variety in the songwriting – quieter songs, louder songs, faster, slower – and I enjoy that process, as well as the extra dimension that playing live with the band offers. But at the same time I feel like I'm always following a very natural creative process, almost without thinking or taking anything else into consideration, just following wherever the impulses lead me. And above all, for me, without worrying about other people's expectations – maybe that's why each album is a bit different from the last. So it's really a mix of everything.
 
If you had to pick one representative song from each album, which would you choose and why? 
That's an interesting question. I think for “I Dreamt I Was An Astronaut”, I'd go with “Astronaut” – lyrically it's pretty broad, much like the album itself, covering themes tied to escapism. I can only assume that at that point I was suffering from notions to do with escaping planet Earth – maybe that's quite recognisable. And sonically it was very dreamlike, with a lot of layered synths and so on, which was a major feature of that album. For “Pink Mirror” I'd say “Humans”, in the sense that it acknowledges all the negative aspects of humanity that I talked about throughout the album, while at the same time offering a kind of light or hope, or even faith in humanity. I don't know how I feel about it right now. But what I can say is that I think it's a song about nature versus nurture – I believe upbringing is the predominant factor in understanding what people are really like, to the extent that everything is redeemable, and that's roughly what I'm saying in “Humans”.
For “Violet Waves” it's harder to single out a representative song because, intentionally, every song is quite different – I consciously wanted the freedom to write about whatever came to mind, rather than tying the songs to a single concept, like on “Pink Mirror”. But I'll go with “Back From The Dead”. I've always thought of it as the key song on that album, and it has an element of the surreal or absurd, as well as themes of love in both a romantic and a holistic sense, and if there's anything that ties the songs together across the album, it's precisely those feelings.
 
Despite a certain vulnerability and introspection in your writing style, your songs seem to have their own personality, a complex yet vivid, sharply defined emotional depth. I get the impression that, beyond the rich craftsmanship of the three albums, your intent is not to remain on the margins of pop-rock music – that being a cult artist isn't your goal – an ambition that “Violet Waves” seems to reinforce quite convincingly. 
Thank you. Maybe you're right – I imagine that in any field the goal is for your craft to become your livelihood. I do have that aspiration, and it's not really about fame or adulation – maybe it is on some level, I won't deny the possibility – but I think it's more about the opportunity to be able to support myself financially purely through the thing I love doing: writing songs. That said, I'm genuinely very happy with my life, at least right now. I don't see reaching that goal as some kind of final solution – it's just that I suppose we need to have goals in life, and making music is the best way I can think of to spend my time.
 
Pink, Violet... Colours seem to be at the centre of your emotional and creative seasons – there's also a touch of surrealism in this choice of colours, a link to that dreamlike world that in some way sets your music apart from other contemporary songwriters. Is that something you're consciously aware of, or is it more of a random element?
I think it's mostly a coincidence. Pink had a lot to do with the specific concept behind “Pink Mirror”, while violet is vaguer. It's more of a feeling, tied to synaesthetic notions. Sometimes colour helps encapsulate abstract notions – feelings, emotions, for instance – in a way that words can't. You know, the way painters and artists are able to express or convey something very evocative through colour. Music, I think, can do something similar.
 
I've noticed that every time you release a new record, you already have new songs ready for the next project. Do you already have a good number of songs ready this time too? And if so, how do they differ from the ones on “Violet Waves”?
Yes, that would be true. The time between finishing writing and recording a record, and then it being released, can be quite long – at least a number of months. I finished recording “Violet Waves” in February and we released it in August. I wouldn't say I write continuously, but I started again and found a structure for writing and putting together a new album shortly after we went into lockdown in London in March. It's not finished yet and I don't want to give away too much, but I'd say it's very different from “Violet Waves” in terms of both sound and lyrical content.
Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic are significantly changing the music market and, as a result, the world of live shows too – how much do you think this further crisis will weigh on the future of artists who don't have much visibility?
It's tough – both issues make it much harder to tour Europe. There's very little support, and you don't see any willingness to support the music industry, or the arts in general, from the current UK government. It's very short-sighted, very money-minded – as if our sector isn't seen as profitable and is therefore considered unimportant. Which is also untrue, but setting aside the economics, I understand it might not be so straightforward to put a value on the arts: their value to human life isn't something that can be discussed purely in financial terms, though I'm sure that if you look at quality-of-life indexes, you'll find that cities with more culture perform far better. I really do fear for the future of culture – it's an issue that affects everyone, everyone's happiness, not just creators, and that's the level of understanding from which we need to approach the problem. A life without culture is a very miserable one – culture is a vital part of human existence.
 
Many believe that even the role of music criticism is becoming less and less relevant – the web is full of opinions and press releases passed off as reviews. What's your take on that? 
I think people who are true music fans read, and will always read, good music publications as a source of new recommendations. Obviously there are a lot more digital avenues now: Spotify has changed the way people consume and discover new music, but I believe there will always be room for music criticism from respected publications. I also think it's very important to have some kind of objective critique in a field considered so subjective. In the UK, one of my favourite publications, Loud & Quiet Magazine, ran a successful campaign to secure its future by appealing to current and new readers to subscribe to the magazine. I think that's a positive example.
 
Your guitar style is crystal clear, limpid yet full-bodied, intense and rich with noir shades – what's your secret, and what would you like to improve about your playing? 
Ah well, I'm glad you think so. There are plenty of things I'd like to improve on. Actually, during lockdown I started taking lessons over Zoom from Samuel Nicholson, the lead guitarist of The Ultimate Power Assembly, who you've also met, of course. I think he'd honestly be a better person to ask these kinds of questions.
 
Let's play a little game where you have to pick just one out of two artists, and say why: David Bowie or Bryan Ferry, Syd Barrett or Nick Drake, Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan.
OK, the first two are easy: David Bowie and Nick Drake. Bowie is one of my all-time heroes, undoubtedly an influence on me – though not quite in the space/cosmic sense people assume, more in terms of artistry and general musicality – whereas Bryan Ferry's music is honestly something I only know as background listening. I like a lot of Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd songs, but I wouldn't call myself a huge fan, whereas Nick Drake's albums, when I discovered them as a teenager, were a huge revelation for me. Cohen vs Dylan is really hard, honestly nearly impossible. I have more affection for Leonard – I'm more likely to sing or do my own personal cover of his songs than of Dylan's, and I cried when he died. But Dylan is the man, he has this unmatched songbook, one of the most important, original and influential songwriters of all time. I guess it has to be Dylan.
 

Is it true that as a kid you dreamed of being in The Strokes? Is that still your dream, or have you switched bands?

Ah, yes, I think that's true. I loved The Strokes' first two albums, and I think I still love them. But my tastes have moved on, and besides, I don't feel that kind of longing anymore, wanting to be someone else or in any other band. Honestly, I'm quite happy, even privileged, to be the lead singer of The Ultimate Power Assembly. OK, maybe The Bees, if they're still playing.
 
There's always a reference to nature, to the plant and animal world, in your songs – do you feel drawn to the passion for ecology that a lot of your peers share? 
I recently became a gardener, sort of as a part-time job. I've realised that being outdoors and working in nature feels very, you know, natural to me. But in my music I've written a lot about issues like climate change, as in “Gaia”, for example. That's one of my favourite songs, if I may say so. And yes, I suppose I've had a tendency to weave in images of plants and animals into songs that are seemingly unrelated to love, for instance, like in “Killer Killer”. To me it's all connected, all related. None of these things exist without the other. Human beings don't exist in a vacuum that has no need for a healthy planet and a thriving ecosystem – take away one piece and everything starts falling apart. And of course the cosmos is included in all this too. It's all the same thing.
 
One last question I think will really interest OndaRock's readers: you've often told the foreign press that your Italian tour was one of the best experiences of your live career – I take it that once the pandemic is over you'll want to come back and do it all again... And can you tell us the funniest or strangest thing you remember about Italy?
Yes, we'd love to tour Italy again. We were supposed to come back at the end of October, November, but unfortunately that's not going to happen. Hopefully we can reschedule as soon as possible next year, circumstances permitting. It might sound strange, but we were genuinely pleasantly surprised by the level of hospitality everywhere we went in Italy. I mean, people are very kind to us when we tour the UK, but it's not the same thing. In Italy we really felt looked after, appreciated, and we were genuinely surprised by that, in a nice way of course. It was obvious everywhere, but the difference between the UK and Italy became especially clear the further south we went. When we got to Vallo della Lucania we felt like little princes, and honestly we loved every minute of it.
 
Thank you, Jeremy, hoping to meet again soon 
Thank you, Gianfranco, it's been a pleasure talking to you.

This article is an English translation of the original Italian text by Gianfranco Marmoro, published on OndaRock.it. It was translated with the help of artificial intelligence, under the editorial responsibility of OndaRock's editor-in-chief, Claudio Fabretti.

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