The subject of word-of-mouth buzz among the loudest and most enthusiastic corners of the dense international electronic underground, buoyed by an aesthetic and sonic imagination capable of bringing together '90s sitcom fans, die-hard house devotees, wide-ranging nostalgics and countless curious listeners in search of comfort and escapism, the mysterious DJ Sabrina The Teenage DJ is among the most prominent names in a constantly expanding dance universe. Backed by an immediately recognizable expressiveness and a grandiloquent aesthetic that unfolds across wide-ranging projects, she has managed to translate the image of a carefree, colorful and, why not, romantic past into digital form and into the ultimate nostalgic format, the cassette tape, across five albums that make up one of the most imposing concept projects of recent years. We caught up with her a few months after the release of the concluding Charmed, with a handful of questions ranging from thirty-year-old TV series to the stages of grief, from temporal paradoxes to mixing. Here's what she told us.
To break the ice, who's your favorite character from “Sabrina, the Teenage Witch”? Sabrina and Salem are not acceptable answers!
Mr. Poole! He remains a misunderstood figure — TV's power games robbed him of his role as the science teacher, they shouldn't have given his spot to Martin Mull!
What other series and sitcoms from that era did you enjoy? Do you think any of them may have influenced your creative process?
All the sitcoms from the '90s, I was completely obsessed with them and always will be! I also love '80s cop shows and tons of other TV dramas. I think that sometimes stuff made for television can give you more emotion than another medium, because it's flexible enough to deliver those emotions, and you often find character actors so astonishing that they give you a performance no other actor could.
We discovered thanks to "Charmed” that your main projects make up a pentalogy that's now complete. Is it your habit to work in such big blocks of releases? Can we expect similar undertakings in the future?
After undergoing a non-lethal magical obliteration, she passed between the planes of mortality and magic, her soul carried away from her body, her spirit taken to the Other Realm. Her closest friends and family mourned her passing, wondering what they had learned from her existence, which qualities of hers they cherished most, but above all... would she come back?
I've adapted a novel from "Charmed" that will be out soon and I hope it will clarify some of the concepts behind the album, I also have some live performances planned for next month!
Do you think each of the five projects has specific traits, in terms of mood, inspirations and themes, that set it apart from the others? Or are they all part of one cohesive narrative that ties them together?
Absolutely, there are many concepts like that, when it comes to the sounds and the mooda journey that begins with learning and ends with understanding, similar to the five stages of grief: Hope, Euphoria, Disillusionment, Acceptance and Farewell.*
What does house mean to you, in the broadest sense of the term?
It's a cloak, a stylish jacket that's a bit oversized on you, a ready-to-wear outfit you can pair with anything! Indie-rock, millennial-pop, '80s jazz,
emo,
grungeIdm... everything can become house, and that's when you start dancing!
We can't help but notice a lot of samples coming from a girl band called DreamTell us about them and what they, their image, their music mean to you, and how all of that ties into the whole gangsta rap imagery we trace throughout your work.
Dream is one of my all-time favorite groups! They made a couple of incredible albums, but they're so underrated, victims of the industry of the time... I mean, their second album didn't even get proper distribution! They have wonderful melodies and vocal parts that seem to go well with everything, you know what I mean?
What idea have you formed of your audience? How do you picture them? What did you expect them to be like?
Honestly, I didn't expect any audience at all — every day that passes I'm more and more surprised that anyone listens to me. I didn't expect anyone to understand the sound I was just creating for myself. It's incredible and completely unexpected how big this thing has become...
Sometimes we invent alter egos to discover ourselves through them. How much of Sabrina and how much of you is present in your music, so complex and full of lively contradictions?
So true! I don't have any ego, I like the songs to be what they are, without me getting in their way too much. I often think artists get far too associated with their own work, and that doesn't always give the music a chance to be listened to properly... I've always wanted my little songs to give people joy and inspiration, and that's what I love doing most, even though I never expect anyone to actually listen to me. The Sabrina character lets me paint a more accurate portrait of myself and become a version of myself that I like a lot more!
Your latest album borrows material from the pop culture of what we call "the fabulous '90s." It was also released in the middle of an emergency with very few precedents. Aside from the distraction you heroically provide us from current circumstances, how does all this feel to you? Discordant? Off-balance? Or is it something deeper?
I think pop from the turn of the millennium, late '90s into the 2000s, is my natural voice, a veneer of positivity, but for me the songs always have a darker, more sinister side, though I suspect I'm the only one who feels it. During the pandemic I didn't even know if I'd release any more music, but I kept working on my tracks without dwelling on the mixing, and by the end of the year I really didn't know what to do with all the tracks I'd finished! I always wanted the last album to be a double cassette, palindromically tied to "Makin' Magick", I wanted it to be a bigger experience. The whole album has extra layers of meaning, more evident in the novel that's coming out, but I'm still thrilled to have offered so many people a more beautiful world to escape into!
We sense a strong nostalgia in your work. What pulls you back? What pushes you forward?
I think it's just what I'm used to and nothing more — I listen to music and watch shows from the '80s and '90s so often that it feels normal to me. Sure, I miss that time when we were all younger and more innocent, but a couple of decades ago there were also so many ideas and great styles that I'd love to try working with.
If you met yourself as a child, what of your own music would you play her? And what do you think she might create that you'd want to hear?
And what about time paradoxes? Wouldn't we both explode?! Maybe I'd play her my worst song, so she doesn't feel she has to live up to something! I think over the years you make so many micro-decisions that shape your growth that maybe everything could change irreparably (which would still be interesting to watch, though!).
We've noticed the sounds in your work are getting clearer and cleaner. Did you just buy new hardware/software, or is there something else behind it?
Well spotted! Honestly, I was working on the sounds more or less up through "Spellbound", where I found a kind of compromise between lo-fi and modern, that mid-fi that I've always sought, that carries you to other lands and doesn't limit expressiveness, nor does it require listeners to pay super close attention. That's the moment, I think, when I said: "My tapes are really coming along!"
Besides the pentalogy of releases under your own name, you've also curated several mixes, available on your website. What's your approach to the practice? How do you select the samples and tracks that go into these mixes? What does it mean to you to give new context to other artists' material?
I call them
mashpilations, compilations of
mashup; I've always loved
mixtape 's
Avalanches and I think they've always done something nobody else has ever done, like mini-albums made of other people's songs, and yet they've managed to put a personal stamp on everything. I use
mix to present some of these songs the way I hear them, maybe other people hear them differently, and at that point I place them in a context that reflects the way those songs move me. Either way, we're talking about favorite artists, songs and genres that I like, they let me explore other areas that I don't explore much on my own albums, at least to give people an idea of where my sounds come from!
On Rate Your Music we can find a album list that you like or that have even influenced you. Any new additions lately? Any recommendations?
I also put together a
Spotify playlist for Fandomentals, but I like music so much that it's hard for me to narrow it down. Lately I've been listening to a lot of
Judee Sillis one of my all-time favorites, tragically underrated - everything she's written seems to be both uplifting and deeply melancholic at once, a fascinating window into her personality.
* In truth, Elisabeth Kübler Ross's list included: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance.
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